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image board autist dating app just droopped 
https://duolicious.app/
yall niggas need bitches go pull some
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going through it and trying to get a date would make a funny video idea
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>>23736 (OP) 
>reads reviews
>Honeypot 
>psyop
Yup
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oh dont be a pussy make a burner you will be fine its fucking funny the people on here
poast address or no balls
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>>23737
>trying to get me to promote your gay cia data collection honeypot
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>>23738
I've noticed that 100% confirmed online government honeypots openly talk about them being a honeypot (such as this obvious data collection honeypot app). It's likely to water down the term (honeypot/psyop) and its importance -- almost make it a meme that people mindlessly parrot and don't actually understand its meaning, and thus, people in turn think its all a big joke and that the actual government psyop is actually based and cool.

Off the top of my head
>Anom
A supposedly privacy friendly "encrypted" phone, using a custom OS (with features such as voice telephony, email, and location services disabled). Also included the "ANOM" encrypted messaging app. Anom was sold on the market and promoted via Anom's Twitter account with cringe Zoomer speak -- as if people who are smart enough to care about privacy talk like teenagers on TikTok. The phone was anything but private despite what was being said by the Anom website/Twitter.
>"...the messaging app then communicated with other devices via supposedly secure proxy servers, which also – unknown to the app's users – copied all sent messages to servers controlled by the FBI. The FBI could then decrypt the messages with a private key associated with the message, without ever needing remote access to the devices."
>"By May 2021, there had been 11,800 devices with ANOM installed, of which about 9,000 were in use."
Screenshots from Anom's Twitter account show they do this cutesy "teehee were a psyop! toootally not undercover feds :3" This is what these honeypots do.

>Hailey Lujan
Basically the US government copying IDF tactics and hiring bimbos to post with guns and LARP being in the infantry in order to convince men to enlist. She previously posted on Instagram about being in Psychological Operations. About a year or so later started a "I'm a hot chick in the military being crazy with guns!" persona. People found her old post confirming she's in psychological operations, started calling her a psyop, then her posts shifted to being "teehee im a psyop!!! :3". Another example of confirmed government psyops/honeypots leaning into being a psyop and trying to make it a mindless meme that has no real meaning.

>https://duolicious.app/
Obvious honeypot. They're trying to build a profile on you. They want you to answer 2,005 questions about yourself, seemingly heavy on the political side of things, your morals, etc. Once they determine who the most extremist and depressed men are based on those 2,005 questions, they will have psyop women message these men and convince them to perform violent extremist acts against the American population. No, this isn't a stretch or out of the ordinary. This has been documented to happen before on places like Instagram and Discord. They're curating a highly susceptible audience of young, depressed, lonely, politically extremist men on this retarded app which they most definitely see and log everything you say. Once again, Duolicious is following the same script by leaning into the "were a honeypot! teehee :3".

I would never entertain the idea of using something like this -- serious or ironically. If I have spare time, I'm going to spend it on something I enjoy doing. I don't even own a phone, and even if I did, I would never use something as stupid and as honeypotted as this.
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>>23743
I'm 100% sure your website is a hunny pot because it attracts pants less bears. All according to your little plan. Why do you even need a thermal camera unless you were planning to spy on me as I rummage through your garbage at night for leftover picnic baskets. Do feed the bears. Don't listen to glowrangers who say don't feed the bears. It's a gov't psyop. Hailey Lujan looks absolutely delicious. I'd love to eat her... meat her... say hello in bear. Hopefully she never goes missing hiking at Yellowstone.
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>>23751
I'm glad you're comfortable enough here to share your fetish with us but that's not my thing.
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>>23751
According to urban dictionary this sex act is called The Oreo. What I wouldn't give to be the "cream" in that scenario. Ah haha.
>>23757
gay
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>>23757
unless it's you a female
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>>23748
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>>23774
Ah yes this is no doubt the stimulating conversation Ashley expected after effortposting a thoughtful and interesting reply >>23743

Ashley, sweetheart, your fans are retards. I'm not saying I'm not a retard too, but I think I might be the smartest retard in the room because even I can see it.
>>23776
You are so vain. She replied to me and I haven't even replied back yet because I was thinking of the most thought provoking post anyone has ever seen on this board
>>23751
So this really is a LGBTCIABBCFBICEIJOIBBSQOS discord psyop
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>>23776
>smartest retard
No, that would be me. Most of you just regurgitate memes or try too hard. Ashley can't resist a rapist wit.
>>23779
Just open a can of alphabet soup and remove the vowels. There you go.
>>23776
I should've known. I'm growing bitter of using the internet in general. Nobody is interested in talking about a slightly unique topic, especially if it doesn't involve their political party, TV, media, rage fuel. God forbid we discuss something about privacy, understanding our technology use, nature of reality. I've restrained a large majority of my interests because it's continually met with rejection. I used to like the internet as a kid. Being a loner, it was the one place I could go to talk to people without feeling like a loser faggot. Now the normies have infiltrated even the most niche of the internet and every little thing you say is rejected because they have a brain addicted to mindlessly consuming, not trained to question, no yearn to learn, etc. No wonder I like to isolate myself -- it feels like I'm an alien in a world of mindless apes.

The internet as I knew it has been completely dead for 10 years, maybe longer. It's a shell of its former self that can't be recreated, and I tried with this imageboard.
>>23790
Don't be so melodramatic🙄
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>>23792
>emoji
You really can't make this stuff up.
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>>23790
Ain't you ever watch the Lion King? https://youtu.be/H_MJAEBOERk?si=BXrdZjQrakW0JJSm
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>>23790
Cannot really relate to you to be honest, but small-nets like Gemini [1], Nex [2] and so on, might be more to your liking. There is also a Mastodon instance [3] with a bunch of people reeinventing all sorts of technology (mostly software (?), plan9-inspired stuff [4], cat-langs, and so on).

1: https://geminiprotocol.net/
2: https://nightfall.city/nex/info/specification.txt
3: https://merveilles.town/about
4: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=G8YBP0oyQxY
>>23798
Also, you are a bit hypocritical, as you, for no reason at all, had to get all insulting when I only asked you innocent stuff about Minecraft..
>>23790
Most of the people who do underatand technology, the developers, use it to control those who don't understand it as well, the users. Which is why the best way to escape their control is to simply abandon their technology entirely. Why bother using a backend like Nitter when you can just forget Twitter even exists? Similar things can be said about privacy and the nature of reality. The programs you use, the books you read, all of those tools can and will be used against you by control freaks.
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>>23798
Some very nice Minecraft content if anyone else should care:
* https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pjT8r8aF-l0
* https://yewtu.be/channel/UC6BfKHkFf3Qh4n9wCLDWiAg
* https://yewtu.be/playlist?list=PLOfxMC0BlfPKWoK03sjuP0H5Z-kepf5o5

>>23800
Mostly agree. Even lots of FLOSS is so complex nowadays, it is pretty much impossible for any one person to read the entirety of their codebases. But similiar to some of the stuff on that Mastodon instance I mentioned earlier, there are some counter movements that focus on simplicity and maintainability [1] [2].

1: https://c9x.me/compile/
2: https://shithub.us/
>>23790
It was inevitable that the internet would be degraded by normies when it became more accessible.
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>>23798
Social media, be it proprietary or open source, is mindless, ego-stroking, drip-fed dopamine hits. Modern social media is bad, period. The anonymous conversation is a dying format that things like Mastodon cannot remedy. It solely relies on mainstream social media formatting. It is a Twitter clone. To be clear, I'm glad that it exists and people have the ability to spin their own instance up in an afternoon, but it's not for me. Modern-era social media like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and so on, thanks to the popularity of MySpace, features "user focused" content, not "idea focused" content. What I mean is that if you think of a forum, an image board, newsgroups, old BBS systems, etc., when you access those things, the main draw is/was the topics of discussion, not who is having the discussion. The front page of a forum is usually a list of categories up for discussion. You click through, and see all the sub-topics for the category. Which thread you enter from there is almost never based on who is doing the discussing in the thread, it's based on whatever the actual topic is. Modern social media is almost entirely focused on the "who" of a discussion. You aren't presented with threads or topical categories, you're presented with people. The whole format of modern social media is based on people's profiles. Who gives a shit what John Doe has to say about stuff generally? Who cares how many "friends" they have, or how many "likes" they got on their last post? Modern social media's goal is to put the spotlight on the individual person, not the ideas or topics of discussion. I'm aware that there are things like hashtags and Facebook groups or whatever, but that obviously isn't the focal point of these platforms.

>>23800
I don't disagree, though I would say people in higher positions, above developers, are calling the shots. (Perhaps that is what you meant) E.g. dictating what a program needs to do, and the developers are just a means to an end. Developers with a conscience who do not prioritize money/greed over morals likely land in the open source side of things. I agree with what you say, and is actually why I don't use Nitter it's also no longer in development due to Twitter requiring accounts to view Twitter. Even with privacy front ends being available, why would you want to view the retardedness that ensues on these places? While I appreciate the efforts of the developers making privacy front ends or open source alternatives, I don't even view social media. I have a very hard time seeing how so many people are interested and addicted to it.

Paying no mind to social media is the best way to go, regardless of how you're viewing it.  Though, if someone were to view social media, doing so in a privacy conscious way would be the best way to do so. Privacy is important and its entire purpose is to break away from control. While the best solution is to not engage period (one that I abide by), that's a tough sell for your average retard. To reach the completely asleep normie it's important for them to learn about how data is collected and used just by vising a web page or installing an app or owning a smart phone. It's something the majority of people have no idea about, they don't grasp how invasive it is. While I hope more people become aware, it's pulling teeth to convince someone to stop engaging with invasive services that abuse the dopamine-drip-reward system.
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>>23803
Petition: Make tubgurl harder to access by making users solve an algebra problem before gaining access to the site. Ashley would be locked out forever.
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>>23806
tfw I don't know enough about otters to post on otterchan
>>23790
Sorry, I know how you feel Ash. It sucks. You're the only one I've come across that resonates the same sentiments and I'm glad I found you otherwise I'd feel just that more alone in the world. So thanks nigga
>>23790
Stay off the Internet while you still can. It's overwhelming you. Come back when you are 30 and more mature.
>>23743
>I would never entertain the idea of using something like this -- serious or ironically. If I have spare time, I'm going to spend it on something I enjoy doing

This is my plan to meet women. I'm just going to keep doing the things I enjoy and chances are a woman that's similar minded will be in the same physical space and I can strike up the courage to talk to them. I don't need to sacrifice my privacy to meet women.
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>>23816
>tfw all the things I enjoy are solitary and NEETcoded
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>>23816
Same here, I haven't gotten a girlfriend yet from doing the things I enjoy (gooning and playing video games) but I'm sure she'll come along soon enough.
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>>23822
ok Ashley
Why is this low quality shill post advertising a honeypot still up and unedited? 

Of course anyone who signs up for that honeypot is retarded, but doesn't Ashley bear some responsibility for maintaining board quality? How about protecting her lonely and retarded userbase of porn addicts?

>>23805
>Paying no mind to social media is the best way to go, regardless of how you're viewing it.
The problem is that there is no will to do this. The democratization of information has reached it's peak and is now receding back into the oligarchic control these technologies should have prevented and nobody who matters cares. It is not possible to engage with society without using some kind of gay, retarded, privacy invading technology. Events are scheduled, planned, and advertised exclusively on social media. it's impossible to engage with your community without having your privacy invaded. Social media is also becoming more invasive, facebook now requires you to send them a picture (soon video) of yourself "to prove your identity", reddit no longer allows browsing without a vpn, etc. There is no expectation of privacy in public, and if the internet is public and the internet is everywhere, nothing is private.

I think the only reason the internet was good at any time was because it was filled with high iq whites and asians with niche, unpopular interests. When the internet became filled with niggers, low iq whites, and other undesirables the golden age of the internet ended and the dark ages began. This can't be fixed with small forums, foss, imageboards, or small, community driven websites. The internet masses are the problem now, and any proposed solution that relies on some new reconfiguration of internet infrastructure (tor, i2p, etc.) will fail, because the problem is sociological. The internet lacks quality because the people who use the internet lack quality.

Maybe, one day in the future, some new technology that allows anonymous global communication without relying on current internet infrastructure will come along and allow for a rebirth of the culture which existed previously. However, I think it is highly unlikely that a dramatic shift such as that will occur without society being completely reshaped. Until then, the internet is for piracy, posting on small forums, and porn.
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>>23884
>Why Ashley no censorship?
>think of the gooners
Nigga how are you gonna complain about facebook and then ask why Ashley isn't zuccing posts? Fuck outta here with the weak ass shit boi
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>>23884
Sir, blacks starting to use the internet has been a wellspring of entertainment and under no circumstances do I want them to stop
>>23884
I don't need to thought patrol people. As long as it's not illegal, it should stay up. If I got rid of the link, people wouldn't be able to see an example of a honeypot as I describe in >>23743. It would also kill the conversation. Anyone with half a brain can see this "dating app" is for retards. If someone is retarded enough to go through and download the honeypot app on their government tracking device, that's their fault. Not mine. People should have freedom of choice, I'm not responsible for parenting retards and their retarded choices.

>The problem is that there is no will to do this. 
Among most people, you're right. I recognize that and have for a long time. I'm not trying to change anyone, it's up to the person to want to change themselves and ask questions.

>The democratization of information has reached it's peak and is now receding back into the oligarchic control these technologies should have prevented
This only happens on places that allow it to happen. If you operate outside of the hell-bent censorship control sphere, sharing information is still very easy. Your and my experience on the internet seems to differ drastically because I don't operate on websites that act like a strict parent censoring everything.

>nobody who matters cares.
Can you say Edward Snowden? I could list off a ton of whistle blowers or advocates for privacy. Specifically Edward Snowden's information was groundbreaking, and he is definitely part of the reason for confirming what Americans had suspected for years. Your attitude is defeatist and you shouldn't look up for others to make the change for you/others. There are plenty of documentaries (that even normies watch on Netflix) documenting the harms of social media. It's inaccurate to say nobody who matters cares. There's a plethora of information and advocates out there. However, if you're defeatist, the importance is none to you, no matter what.

>It is not possible to engage with society without using some kind of gay, retarded, privacy invading technology. 
That's flat out not true. While it may be more difficult to operate in society without a cell phone, it's not impossible. I've been operating without social media, a cell phone, etc. for years. If you must use something that requires a phone 2FA, there are solutions such as https://www.textverified.com/

>Events are scheduled, planned, and advertised exclusively on social media. it's impossible to engage with your community without having your privacy invaded. 
If there's an event I'm looking for, I usually just ask a middle aged woman I know if she knows about said events and most of the time I get an answer. I still see plenty of fliers posted on community billboards at places like grocery stores, gas stations, parks, etc. all advertising upcoming yard sales, community events, bake sales, fundraisers, pets for sale, eggs for sale, etc. Actually, physical advertising works way more than digital. If there's something you suspect is only on Facebook, just ask someone you know who has a Facebook to look it up for you. I will never have Facebook, but there has been a time or two I've asked if someone can look something up for me. I had someone send MadThad a message for me on Discord because I had no other way of reaching him. They were able to get him on Element for me.

>Social media is also becoming more invasive, facebook now requires you to send them a picture (soon video) of yourself "to prove your identity"
Facebook has always been invasive. That's the entire point of the site.

>reddit no longer allows browsing without a vpn, etc.
Libreddit privacy front end. https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit-instances/blob/master/instances.md

>There is no expectation of privacy in public, and if the internet is public and the internet is everywhere, nothing is private.
I agree, there are cameras everywhere you go that likely communicate to the internet. Traffic lights have cameras, stores have cameras, and you can't walk in a neighborhood anymore without being recorded on someone's Amazon Ring doorbell. All of these communicate with the internet.

>I think the only reason the internet was good at any time was because it was filled with high iq whites and asians with niche, unpopular interests.
Not really. The early internet had all walks of life on it. Chat rooms were filled with all interests, such as Slipknot fanatics to church-goers. Forums as well. The only difference from the internet back then to the internet now is people's intent when using the internet. The internet became low quality when the internet was always readily available in people's pockets, and especially in a more inconvenient way to use the internet. You can hardly create on a phone, meaning less people were creating on the internet and instead consuming. Always being on the internet, whether at school, work, or at a traffic stop, means you have less quality things to talk about. And thus, you use the internet with less intent. The internet became a place to vomit 120 character nothings. That's the difference.

>When the internet became filled with niggers, low iq whites, and other undesirables the golden age of the internet ended and the dark ages began.
This has nothing to do with race. A lot of black people gravitated towards the internet because you didn't have to be tied to your skin color. It was a place of escapism. Now it's expected to use your real name, show your face, etc. The decline of the internet is largely due to cell phones and social media. Not skin color.

>This can't be fixed with small forums, foss, imageboards, or small, community driven websites. The internet masses are the problem now
Except it can. The solution is exactly to not engage in invasive services/websites and to create your own with an understood culture/rules. The solution isn't to try and get everyone away from social media. It's good that the normies are over there -- it's their containment "app". The goal is to keep normies away from the places trying to NOT be social media. I've had to force disable names and now nameflags because people try to force every place they visit to be like their social media platform, with names, cliques, identities.

>any proposed solution that relies on some new reconfiguration of internet infrastructure (tor, i2p, etc.) will fail, because the problem is sociological. The internet lacks quality because the people who use the internet lack quality.
Weird, tor and i2p don't seem to be failing for me. The goal is/was never to get every social media normie to use FOSS, privacy respecting alternatives. While it would be good if people were aware and wanted to use these better solutions, it's not the goal to have every single person use these things. It's not realistic. It is, however, there for the people who care. And the people who care are generally smarter and have higher quality things to say.

>Maybe, one day in the future, some new technology that allows anonymous global communication without relying on current internet infrastructure will come along and allow for a rebirth of the culture which existed previously. However, I think it is highly unlikely that a dramatic shift such as that will occur without society being completely reshaped. 
Like a meshnet? Wouldn't your next excuse be, "nobody will use that anyways"? We can use the solutions we have now.

Overall your attitude towards these things is far too defeatist. All it takes is for you, the individual, to want to change. There's plenty of solutions out there. People who don't want to change make a million excuses, even though the solutions exist. Don't mind what others are doing. Don't base what you should/shouldn't do on what others do/don't do.
>>23890
What’s your Element? Leave a link.
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>>23890
You are too testosterone-driven. Be at peace with yourself and the surrounding.
>>23890
this is why i fucking love you Ashley
>>23890
So what happens when the normies, the vast majority of citizens, vote to make your privacy illegal?
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>>23894
I never use it, if you want to contact me then your best bet is to call me or send me an email or GPG message. I suspect there will be people creating Element accounts claiming to be me, so I will clarify: I very rarely use Element, I don't like realtime chat. Phone and email are the only way to contact me. Anyone claiming to be me is a tranny and you're sending your penis pictures and Monero to a man.

>>23904
"Making privacy illegal" is far too broad of a statement. What exactly do you think the normies will "vote" to outlaw, and in practical terms, how will these new laws impact people that don't get their privacy advice from YouTubers shilling Nord VPN?
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>>23905
They've already made it illegal to have surveillance cameras in the women's toilet. We're already living in an Orwellian society. Who knows what else they will outlaw in this dystopian hell, child pornography, perhaps? God help us!
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>>23904
>So what happens when the normies......

The term normie is becoming a cliche but if one isn't a normie what is one, a nerd a geek a dork a dweeb?
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>>23914
It's OK if they're for research purposes only
>>23887
Moderation and censorship are not the same thing. Should Ashley remove cp links if they are posted? Is that censorship? I don't like the op because it's 4chan tier, and a serious discussion board shouldn't be allowing honeypots to promote themselves. You post like a retard, hence why I am concerned about people being psyop'd.

>>23890
The point I was trying to make here >>23884 is somewhat confusing. I think what I was trying to say is that the internet has degraded in quality because the stock of internet users has degraded. I don't care that much about privacy shit outside of opsec.

>That's flat out not true. While it may be more difficult to operate in society without a cell phone, it's not impossible.
This is a difference in experience, and difference of opinion over what qualifies as engaging.

>Can you say Edward Snowden?
Can you ask the average voter what he revealed? Yes, privacy weirdos like us saw those leaks as a confirmation of our suspicions, but do you really believe that the nsa has lowered the intensity of it's spying? Does the average person know or care? Even if they did, could they make a difference at the national level? This trend is not exclusive to the issue of government invasion of privacy.

>You can hardly create on a phone, meaning less people were creating on the internet and instead consuming.
You wouldn't know this, but phones are about as capable as computers in terms of creation. If anything, they create more now than ever. The problem was never about the quantity of creation, it was always about the quality, which is downstream from who's creating it.

>This has nothing to do with race.
I don't expect a woman to agree with me on this. I think it is actually best that you don't agree.

>The solution is exactly to not engage in invasive services/websites and to create your own with an understood culture/rules.
Not the solution to the problem I am talking about. I have also seen this to not be enough (8chan, kiwifarms, etc).

>I've had to force disable names and now nameflags because people try to force every place they visit to be like their social media platform, with names, cliques, identities.
Well done Ashley! Now maybe you can put a great big gold star that says "Namefag hater" next to the big red "Board Owner" title on your post. Namefag.


>Weird, tor and i2p don't seem to be failing for me.
I meant that they aren't solving the problem of quality or internet privacy, not that they don't work as technologies.


>Like a meshnet?
Probably not. I am referring to something that wouldn't use internet infrastucture. It would need to rely only on users devices only, something like a radio. An internet renaissance could occur without this of course, it would be harder but not impossible. This solution is more immediate.

The problem I am driving at here is that the internet of old was of a particular people, a  particular time, and a particular environment. There are small communites spread out across the internet which prioritize discussion quality over likes or their equivalent, but these communities are disprivileged because they exist in a society which elevates and prioritizes mediocrity. These communities are also in a constant cycle of creation and growth until they are consumed into the masses at which point they no longer serve their original purpose (this is what you are seeing when someone says normie). This process has been pointed out repeatedly on imageboards already, but a soution is usually absent. My position is that these communities must be free and open for discussion of any topic, but also totally and unapologetically exclusive.
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>>23905
>What exactly do you think the normies will "vote" to outlaw
VPNs, all cryptocurrency, uncensored websites, not owning a cell phone, etc. Might seem difficult to enforce, but let's say one of your neighbors gets suspicous, reports you to the authorities and they find all of this video evidence of you commiting wrongthink. Privacy is falling out of favor in american culture, if it becomes taboo enough it can be made illegal like anything else, all they need to do is lump you in with drug dealers or pedophiles and you're in prison.
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I'm effortposting like mommy ashley!

To the dude that I'm responding to: we're on the same side here, even if we disagree on some things so don't take too many of my points below as shitting on you, more like a spirited conversation, because the fact that you give a fuck about technology/privacy/alternative internet culture etc at all is great.

>>23923
>Should Ashley remove cp links if they are posted? Is that censorship?
plz see:
>>23890
>As long as it's not illegal, it should stay up.
if you need to be moderated harder a hobbyist image board is probably going to disappoint you. Let's not forget Ashley one time spammed her own board back on endchan with gay scat pornography in a (hilarious) attempt to get control back from the nerd who refused to give it to her. This is a fun little board to check every now and then and shitpost a bit with the boys and that includes ash.

>but phones are about as capable as computers in terms of creation
I'm sorry, because I actually really want us to have one conversation on tubgirl that's an actual discussion and not a "debate," but this is a really stupid statement. I mean I could elaborate but c'mon, even the snazziest modern phone is going to be absolute dog shit compared to an $800 desktop PC in terms of ease of use, software availability, etc.

Also, there's a not so subtle undercurrent of your whole position about why the internet's quality has (supposedly) degraded that basically blames the whole thing on the heckin minorities. If only those nigs had stayed away from the white man's digital paradise things would be so much better!

Except that's stupid, because if you had been online in the early days (maybe you were), you'd know that it's not any one race that's the problem, it's fucking normies that are the problem, dude. And unfortunately, normies come in all colors. One of the big benefits of the internet back in the day was that far, far fewer people really identified themselves beyond a pseudonym, and therefore, you didn't know if the person you were chatting with on IRC was black, or a woman, or gay, or whatever, because people wouldn't advertise all their little IRLsies team affiliations. Yes, I'm sure you can cherry pick but I was there and at least in the circles I ran in, it just wasn't done. You could have internet friends for YEARS without knowing their name, where they lived, how old they were, what race they were, what gender they were, etc. In fact, it was considered largely beneficial that you didn't have to reveal all this information, unlike how you're forced to in real life, all them time, just by existing. Haven't you ever read the hacker's manifesto? "We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias..."

Also, the internet can be pretty great IF you avoid normie hotspots like twitter or facebook or whatever. I actually have a fine time with it because I simply ignore the normies like I always have, or use them as cringe fuel. 

>My position is that these communities must be free and open for discussion of any topic, but also totally and unapologetically exclusive.
I actually strongly agree with you here, particularly the last bit about exclusivity. Gatekeeping is underrated. 

>>23925
I see where you're coming from but here's why I disagree. Consider that the vast majority of the population:
- does not use a VPN
- does not use cryptocurrency (and the vast majority of cryptocurrency users are retards setting up coinbase accounts and have no idea how to acquire the stuff privately)
- does not use uncensored websites (the internet = facebook/pornhub for them)
- already owns a cell phone
I think we can agree on the above, right? It's not a stretch. So imagine you're a lawmaker/reptile and 99.5% of your niggercattle are already behaving the way you want. You've already won. Your slaves are already doing exactly what you want them to - who gives a SHIT about the 0.5% of people who are awake?

Again, I do see where you're coming from on this, but in reality I haven't seen things playing out this way. Take Monero for example. We know that the government (particularly the IRS) has a boner for it, right? Where are the laws banning it? They don't NEED to ban Monero, they just regulate the fuck out of all the normalfag centralized exchanges, who then drop XMR due to compliance issues, like Binance did (on the surface, anyway). They know that the subset of the population that uses crypto is tiny, and the subset of the crypto-using population that actually understands why using a centralized exchange is bad and why self custody is good is even smaller than that. There's no need to ban Monero, which is why they haven't (and, I believe, likely will not).

Monero is just one example but I think you'll see that this logic applies to a lot of other things. It literally doesn't matter to the "elite" if there's a ultra-tiny privacy-aware slice of the population that they have a harder time tracking. We're a rounding error.
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>>23929
>To the dude that I'm responding to: we're on the same side here, even if we disagree on some things so don't take too many of my points below as shitting on you, more like a spirited conversation, because the fact that you give a fuck about technology/privacy/alternative internet culture etc at all is great.
Why do you feel the need to say this? I'm not a woman, I want you to shit on me.

>I mean I could elaborate but c'mon, even the snazziest modern phone is going to be absolute dog shit compared to an $800 desktop PC in terms of ease of use, software availability, etc.
it's important to emphasize the "about" in my post. I'm not claiming they are exactly comparable. However, they can be used to do simple things like cut video together, edit audio, create drawings, make simple edits to photos, and most importantly record audio and video, which is enough for most content.

>Also, there's a not so subtle undercurrent of your whole position about why the internet's quality has (supposedly) degraded that basically blames the whole thing on the heckin minorities. If only those nigs had stayed away from the white man's digital paradise things would be so much better!
Maybe you are familiar with the idea of a race of the soul? You also seem to have missed the part where I specifically mentioned asians alongside whites. This is not the point I am trying to make, if anything niggers are a symptom, not the problem. Perhaps you think this because you are a woman?

>Also, the internet can be pretty great IF you avoid normie hotspots like twitter or facebook or whatever. I actually have a fine time with it because I simply ignore the normies like I always have, or use them as cringe fuel. 
Based on your use of the term normie we probably differ on our idea of what that means. Regardless, I would certainly agree with that sentiment, the problem of course is that, as someone once said "the crowd will devour us all." meaning, this is for now, not forever. Enjoy it while it lasts. 

I suspect the forces which drive us here are immutable and therefore regardless of where "here" is, we will meet "here" again.
>>23923
>Should Ashley remove cp links if they are posted? Is that censorship?
I already addressed this. Illegal things will be removed. However for your second question, yes, no matter the legality, removing something is technically censoring.

>I don't like the op because it's 4chan tier
You're on an imageboard, I'm not sure why you'd expect a terribly different culture.

>a serious discussion board shouldn't be allowing honeypots to promote themselves
If you need other people to decide for you that you're too stupid to not follow through with downloading questionable apps, then maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. This is a discussion board. We're discussing the link in OP. I might as well delete the thread and any mention of the link if I followed your logic. Also, I've been around the block. If I deleted the link, people would say, "What was the link? Why is Ashley censoring?"

>This is a difference in experience, and difference of opinion over what qualifies as engaging.
Then can you elaborate as to what you mean "engaging"? I figured the term was self explanatory. To say it's literally impossible to engage in society without invasive technology (I assume a cell phone) is not true from my first hand experience.

>Can you ask the average voter what he revealed?
This isn't what you were talking about. Your original statement said the right people don't care. I gave one very important example most Americans know about.

>You wouldn't know this, but phones are about as capable as computers in terms of creation. If anything, they create more now than ever. The problem was never about the quantity of creation, it was always about the quality, which is downstream from who's creating it.
I used a cellphone up to 2018 so I have a good idea as to what someone can do on one. However, as I suspected, you named very basic video editing and drawing as being basically all one can create on a cellphone. Anyone who actually does these things will tell you how laughably impractical it is to video edit, draw, use GIMP (or Photoshop), write lengthy amounts, produce music, etc. on a cellphone. While doing so is technically possible if you do the most bare of bones editing, drawing, writing; it's not feasible or practical, which is why people still build their own computers to this day. If you truly think using a cellphone is on par with a computer in terms of creating, then that tells me you haven't tried creating much on a computer.

>I don't expect a woman to agree with me on this. I think it is actually best that you don't agree.
You make this about race, gender, identity politics when it has no value in the discussion.

>Not the solution to the problem I am talking about. I have also seen this to not be enough (8chan, kiwifarms, etc).
Kiwifarms does fine when they're on tor. So it looks like all that failing technology actually works when push comes to shove.

>Well done Ashley! Now maybe you can put a great big gold star that says "Namefag hater" next to the big red "Board Owner" title on your post. Namefag.
I know you think this is a "gotcha", but the majority (likely 90%) of time I post, it is anonymous. There's two reasons I post as BO. 1. Someone is addressing me and I need to respond (which is where this conversation originated), or 2. It's funny. Plus, it's my board. This is the one place I interact with people in a group setting since I don't like/use social media.

>I meant that they aren't solving the problem of quality or internet privacy, not that they don't work as technologies.
They do, that's the entire point of tor. Privacy. Of course you must operate with good OPSEC, and for plenty of people it has solved the problem of internet privacy. You sound like you've done no research and are speaking boldly when you shouldn't be. I'm not saying I know everything either, however, you're making many statements that either aren't true, or make no sense. No offense.

>Probably not. I am referring to something that wouldn't use internet infrastructure. It would need to rely only on users devices only, something like a radio. An internet renaissance could occur without this of course, it would be harder but not impossible. This solution is more immediate.
Most meshnets are wireless and don't operate on current internet infrastructure. You can create a new technology as you suggest, or you can use the technology we have now with the right tools to stay private. I'm not against new technology, but to completely cast away the solutions we have that work completely fine is foolish. I'm not sure if you're advocating for privacy or advocating for what's most popular and used among normies, or advocating for what would create the "internet of old". It's hard to tell what you're advocating for because when I offer solutions there's some resistance that fights in a different direction.

>My position is that these communities must be free and open for discussion of any topic, but also totally and unapologetically exclusive.
Well except when someone posts a link you don't like, right?
>>23935
>I know you think this is a "gotcha", but the majority (likely 90%) of time I post, it is anonymous. There's two reasons I post as BO. 1. Someone is addressing me and I need to respond (which is where this conversation originated), or 2. It's funny. Plus, it's my board. This is the one place I interact with people in a group setting since I don't like/use social media.

You’re that special.
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Man, why did this thread have to be such a blackpill (;_;).. Just gonna farty in the sharty from now on I guess, lurker-anon over and out.
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>>23935
Ash, why are you advocating for privacy while posting your photos and videos with your pretty face and voice on public websites?
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>>23946
The difference is consent and what is being shared. I consent to sharing exactly what I want to share when I post a video to my website. It isn't an invasion of privacy. Facebook, Google, and Amazon tracking every web page I visit through trackers, cookies, servers, etc. and building a very detailed log of my habits, what pages I visit, for how long, what embarrassing things I search for, what I typed and didn't end up hitting enter, what I click on, where my mouse lands most, what part of the page I viewed most, then selling all of that data to third parties (even governments) does not sit well with me. And that's just scratching the surface in terms of data collected. It would get way worse with a cellphone.

I don't think this topic is depressing at all. It limits the internet for a conscious user, yes, but it brings out more unique places that don't follow the mold we're used to seeing. If I abode to the modern social media internet then this entire website wouldn't exist and instead would be a TikTok page with self censorship.
>>23947
Oh so NOW you care about consent!
>>23947
I agree with you that an invasion of privacy is a no-no. However, I personally feel that a privacy-conscious person wouldn't share intimate things about himself/herself on public websites. I understand that you have consented to sharing such information, but as you readily admitted at the end of all your videos, "I have also permanently destroyed my reputation".
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>>23945
I lurk too, but I'm loving this shit. The Shlee is sho based.
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>>23949
>However, I personally feel that a privacy-conscious person wouldn't share intimate things about himself/herself on public websites.
Why not? Privacy is all about choice. Let's say I have a couple of my closest friends over for dinner. Over the course of the evening's conversation we get to talking about our childhoods. I reveal to my close friends that my grandpa used to breed me in the butt every summer vacation. Grandpa is dead now, and it haunts me that I'll never get my revenge. We all have a good cry about it and grow even closer.

Later, while we're having drinks on the patio out back, I feel a rumbling. The 7-layer taco dip isn't resting well inside. I have to take an immediate, splattery diarrhea shit. I excuse myself and go to the bathroom. I lock the door because even though my closest friends are nearby, I don't want them to see me dumping out from the same hole that grandpa raped me in so many years ago.

That's the difference - it doesn't matter how intimate the things are that you choose to reveal, it's the fact that you chose to reveal them that matters.
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>>23949
I'm essentially reiterating my previous post >>23947. There's a major difference between what you consent to say about yourself on the internet and what you search/click on in secrecy and in confidence and it's in turn actually logged by companies, and sold and used to build a profile on you to whichever third parties buy it.

For example, imagine a normie recording a TikTok or Youtube video. They have choice about what is said in that video, they can review that video before uploading it, and decide whether or not to actually do so. They have choice in their extent of privacy and what they reveal in that video. 

What they don't get, however, is a print out at the end of the day detailing all of the unseen, unconsidered information being sent to TikTok/Youtube and countless third parties just by using the TikTok/Youtube app/website (such as telemetry, what they've searched for, what videos they watch, what profiles/hashtags they click on, how long they've watched videos on said platforms, what girl's profile they check 15 times a day, what was recorded/being said by the microphone -- even when they thought it wasn't in use, geolocation, etc. etc.) If they had a more obvious transparent disclosure of what exactly was being sent, people would quickly become uncomfortable and seek to become more private in their personal digital life. Keep in mind, there is a difference between your public and personal life and how private/separate you keep the two.

>>23964
I couldn't have said it better and am glad someone understands privacy and choice. We're pro-choice. In fact, do I have your poomission to illustrate this story for my children's book about privacy? I may get creative and make it a scratch 'n sniff book, especially for the bathroom scene.
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>>23935

>You're on an imageboard, I'm not sure why you'd expect a terribly different culture.
The other imageboards I use don't have this culture.

>Then can you elaborate as to what you mean "engaging"?
Engaging meaning, living and operating within a society to a degree greater than that of a hermit. The problem I have experienced is that basic things like work and school now require the use of websites or services that invade your privacy. For example, schools in my country provide students with ipads or laptops which are mandatory, and filled with spyware on top of the usual spyware, for theft prevention. Microsoft has a stranglehold on communication within the education system. Some jobs also require you to carry a cell phone that they issue. It has also become harder to relate to young adults If you don't spend all day on your phone, this doesn't necessarily disqualify someone from engaging in society yet, although I suspect it will in the future. Of course, while it is theoretically possible to avoid these problems, I feel that I shouldn't have to. Maybe, for now, impossible is an exaggeration.

>Plus, it's my board. This is the one place I interact with people in a group setting since I don't like/use social media.
I don't care if you namefag. It's just a little hypocritical to complain about identities/clique faggotry on a website that is almost all about you.

>There's two reasons I post as BO. 1. Someone is addressing me and I need to respond (which is where this conversation originated), or 2. It's funny.
your posts >>23741, >>23743 and >>23793 did not require namefagging. I am also aware that you mostly post anonymously, I was fucking with you.

>You make this about race, gender, identity politics when it has no value in the discussion.
It would take too long to try and explain why these do have value and you probably wouldn't accept my explanation if I did, which is why I left it at "you won't agree with me". Also, sometimes I use slurs or make reference to someones sex as a joke in part or in w(hole).

>Kiwifarms does fine when they're on tor.
I realised this after posting. You're right, Kiwifarms is  a good example of how tor and other privacy focused tech can be leveraged to protect free speech. However, if US law changes after some new false flag gets blamed on kiwifarms, tor won't save the administration from seizure of assets or imprisonment. Null is still relying on infrastructure that could take Kiwifarms down permanently at any time, just as we all are in some way. I know what you mean, and yes, I agree if you practice perfect opsec forever and nothing in the services you use is compromised you can remain private and operational in perpetuity. The problem I'm dealing with is that none of these solutions is vertically integrated, somewhere down the line you have to use tech that doesn't or may not respect your privacy and it shouldn't be this way. I might be asking for the impossible.

>I'm not saying I know everything either, however, you're making many statements that either aren't true, or make no sense. No offense.
You don't need to say "no offense", this is an imageboard and I expect to be offended, you can call me retarded or a faggot or a nigger and I won't care. The reason what I am saying may not make sense is because I am working through these ideas between and within these posts. I already disagree with things I said in my first post and I will probably come to disagree with things I say  in this post. Some of the things are true but not explained properly, somethings are not true at all and I appreciate you pointing them out. We also appear to be operating under very different assumptions which is why some of my writing might be so confusing.

>Well except when someone posts a link you don't like, right?
Yes, that's what exclusive means. You exclude low quality shill posts. If some fag comes into a forum shilling his fag website or some fag discord, he should be banned and the posts should be removed. Otherwise the board get's filled with retarded fags advertising their faggoted discord servers or faggoted websites (4chan is an example of this and why I called the op 4chan tier). 

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet is content monetization and how that drives talented creatives to social media and away from things like forums. Artists don't want to work their shitty 9-5 and places like twitter offer them that opportunity, so can we really blame them? I want artists to be able to post on their blog and get paid for it in monero, but you can't pay rent, host a website or buy groceries with monero yet, and there isn't a strong enough network of individual websites linking to each other to drive enough traffic anyway. I think there would need to be a larger perceived advantage to using these services than there currently is, and it wouldn't have to be equal advantage either since most of these creators use social media begrudgingly.
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>>23929
>So imagine you're a lawmaker/reptile and 99.5% of your niggercattle are already behaving the way you want. You've already won. Your slaves are already doing exactly what you want them to - who gives a SHIT about the 0.5% of people who are awake?
Not the person you're replying too, but this isn't how the government works, they often ban or regulate things without voter support or reason, it doesn't need to make sense and the problem doesn't need to be big. This is part of the reason why things like monero are designed to be resilient to government bans.
>>23970
>but you can't pay rent, host a website or buy groceries with monero yet
Ashley's hosting provider accepts Monero:
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>>23957
>Shlee
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>>23974
Ashleys a shleecuboose
>>23970
>The other imageboards I use don't have this culture.
Which ones are you talking about? Most alt-chans I see have 4chan culture, the only one I can think of that doesn't is Otterchan.

>Engaging meaning, living and operating within a society to a degree greater than that of a hermit. 
I have done numerous "society engaging" IRL things without using social media or invasive technology. While many old women have continually harassed me about wanting to get me on social media, I stood my ground and said I don't use it. You don't need social media or a cell phone to engage with other humans or to participate in your community, whether it's something like joining a book club, volunteering, buying/trading, etc. Once again, speaking from first hand experience.

It sounds like your gripe isn't that you're not able to engage in society, but rather that some schools and some jobs require invasive devices.
>The problem I have experienced is that basic things like work and school now require the use of websites or services that invade your privacy. For example, schools in my country provide students with ipads or laptops which are mandatory, and filled with spyware on top of the usual spyware, for theft prevention.
>Microsoft has a stranglehold on communication within the education system. Some jobs also require you to carry a cell phone that they issue.
I understand this and I experienced similar while in high school. If you're voluntarily taking classes as a legal adult, I would simply not participate in classes that want to violate my privacy. You still have a choice in this scenario - don't take the class. If you want to learn about a topic, there are plenty of online resources you can access and pay for privately (Monero -> Visa gift card). If you're a minor legally required to be in a class that has invasive iPads, laptops, etc. I would try to communicate with the staff your concerns and set up an alternate way to submit/engage in class. There's a possibility they would be willing to work with you, however, there's also a good chance they are not willing to work with you.

In which case you would need to practice segregation or "compartmentalization". You completely separate the invasive technology to one device and only use it when required. Aside from that, you do not further engage with the device, you don't browse on it, you don't keep it powered on listening to you and monitoring your location, you don't use it strictly outside of school hours. Put it in a faraday bag. If it's software you need to install for a class/job, install it on a separate harddrive and only access that harddrive when required, not using that harddrive for anything else. I do this if I need more advanced editing with Adobe After Effects. It's on a Windows harddrive that's offline and only used for video editing once every few months. If you're required to communicate with other people via phone, set up a VoIP accessed privately and paid for privately. This will not require you to have a smart phone. While the mode of communication is not ideal, at least you are not beholden to a spy device monitoring you via camera, via microphone, and logging everything you search and look up. Overall, don't voluntarily join classes/jobs that require you to install spyware. If you're an adult choosing to further your learning, there are plenty of ways to learn that don't invade privacy, there are plenty of jobs that don't require spy devices - or if they do, you can find workarounds such as VoIP on a non-spy device, or practice compartmentalization. Privacy is not all or nothing, it's not black and white. However, you try your best with what you can.

I sense from you that just because there are some invasive practices being done to you, that you feel the need to throw your hands up and fully engage with the invasive behavior. This is foolish - if you seek privacy then you can use the tools and exercises we have to get as close to private as possible. Some days I like to eat a bag of chips. Yes, they're unhealthy. That doesn't mean I should wreck my entire diet for the rest of my life just because one thing is unhealthy. Do your best when you can, not everything is strictly black and white, all-or-nothing.

>Re: namefag
We're really nitpicking here but I guess we'll beat this dead horse. Post >>23741 is me replying to someone requesting that I make a video about the link in OP. I replied as me saying I will not do that. Seems relevant to identify myself as admin, the person the board is about, as they're requesting I make a video about the OP. >>23743 doesn't need my identification, but after all it is my board focused on me, my ideas, etc. I sometimes post as BO to drum up discussion. I don't abuse BO posting like namefags do. Namefags would be acceptable if the name was applicable to what was being said - however, my gripe with namefags is they identify every single post as themselves when it is not necessary. This causes unnecessary drama and builds cliques and rivalries among posters that wouldn't exist had things remained anonymous. Everyone here already knows me. The board is about me. There's no new bad blood being made when I post as BO as there would be with an unhinged namefag or namefag hater. Almost every post I make is anonymous, with exceptions if it makes sense to identify myself, if it's a topic I frequently address, or if it would be funny.

>However, if US law changes after some new false flag gets blamed on kiwifarms, tor won't save the administration from seizure of assets or imprisonment. 
There are countless extremely illegal websites on onions right now that last for years. As long as you obtain your domain, hosting, etc. privately (Monero, don't disclose personal information), use a resilient hosting company, and never identify yourself, who will the feds go for? In cases like this, the best the feds can do is to try and infiltrate the onion's community and work their way up to moderation or get close to the people operating the website to begin figuring out who is operating what. And the lesson here is to never let your guard down with OPSEC. When things are done correctly, even in extremely illegal situations, they can't just "take down an onion because it's illegal". Maybe if you've done things poorly, use a bad hosting company, identify yourself, generally make bad OPSEC choices, have a vulnerable machine, etc. But for people who know what they're doing - good luck. This is why the whole "outlawing privacy" thing is unrealistic for anyone who knows what they're doing. Sure, you can try. Yes, it will stop the uberist of normies who don't have an understanding of the technology and tools. If you do things truly privately, it can be very hard to determine who is doing/saying what. This is why so many pirate websites are in operation for years at a time, or why drug marketplaces usually go down after exit scams, not being busted. There are countless examples of people doing things privately. Unfortunately, it's usually for illegal purposes, because the motivation to be private for these activities is obviously very strong, but these are still useful case studies for the average person who wants to enjoy privacy even though they're doing nothing wrong.

>You don't need to say "no offense", this is an imageboard and I expect to be offended
In my experience these discussions turn hostile just because there's a disagreement. Written text can easily be misconstrued as hostile because you cannot determine tone. This is why me, and I assume the other anon, clarify that we're providing information, not insults that detract from the information.

>Re: moderation
"Low quality shill posts" can be arbitrary based on who is choosing. I prefer to let all discussion take place, even if I disagree or think it's "low quality". If you don't agree with my choice, that's fine. There's plenty of websites that do pick and choose what users get to see and discuss. I would prefer to let all discussion take place and what's worthy of discussion will naturally get a lot of replies. What is unworthy will fall to the bottom of the catalog. I let the users choose, not me. I will point out that if I was operating under your preferences, this thread wouldn't exist and we wouldn't have had the chance to have this conversation.

>but you can't pay rent, host a website or buy groceries with monero yet
It depends on your landlord. Most likely have no idea what Monero is, but at best you may be able to convert your Monero to BTC and pay rent that way. Yes BTC is transparent, but if done correctly (starting out with Monero converted to a clean BTC wallet using a non-KYC method) it's pretty good. BTC is recognizable even among boomers who use it as an asset. I pay my hosting and domain registration in Monero. I also regularly buy gift cards with Monero and use that to buy everyday goods including food. Inb4 while not directly Monero, it is spending Monero for a representation of a value of money (gift cards) for goods I don't need to use a bank account to obtain these goods. A lot of these things are possible if you have the willingness to do so.
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>>23973
Maybe I'm completely retarded, but who is the hosting the website in this case, and does her hosting provider include the domain name and all the services required to operate the website?  An artist could use a straw purchaser and pay them in monero of course, but this is not ideal for someone who wants their online and offline lives separate.
>>23979


>Which ones are you talking about?
Most of the sites that were created after 8chan went down have the culture I am referring to, mainly the on topic boards, sleepy is an example.

>I sense from you that just because there are some invasive practices being done to you, that you feel the need to throw your hands up and fully engage with the invasive behavior.
My attitude has been to suck it up when I have to and avoid when I can. I clearly don't care about privacy as much as you do. Sometimes I choose quality of life or accomplishing goals over being totally privacy conscious.

>I would prefer to let all discussion take place and what's worthy of discussion will naturally get a lot of replies.
This is not true of 4chan for example, where low quality bait posts, shills, and bot posts have become the norm and overwhelmed discussion due to poor/malicious moderation. On small boards like this, moderation isn't as important because there isn't a wave of retarded posts pushing interesting threads off the catalog. I disagree with your moderation style, but I can understand where you're coming from. I also don't consider shilling to be discussion.

>As long as you obtain your domain, hosting, etc. privately (Monero, don't disclose personal information), use a resilient hosting company, and never identify yourself, who will the feds go for?
I suspect these service are hosting their own servers and not trusting some hosting provider with their websites worth tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars, which means they have to be paying cash or some other form of legal tender to remain online. Them being able to stay online is I think more of a product of legal jurisdiction/limitation, fraud, and/or corruption than how well they implement privacy tech. It doesn't really matter if you have perfect opsec, the money being made on these websites needs to be laundered to pay expenses. Most of this is guesswork since these markets don't share their opsec situation for obvious reasons, only the admins really know how it works. I've also noticed that opsec (at least on the side of the user/consumer) is focused around creating plausible deniability because these systems can't be trusted to keep you safe. 

>This is why me, and I assume the other anon, clarify that we're providing information, not insults that detract from the information.
I can't find anything written by you or the other anon which could be misconstrued as an insult. Maybe you need to get your testosterone levels checked?

>I pay my hosting and domain registration in Monero. I also regularly buy gift cards with Monero and use that to buy everyday goods including food.
I am not super familiar with how this works, and am very interested to know more. For example, is this website run entirely off of donations? Is all the monero you use from donations or how do you obtain it otherwise? Do you not convert any of that monero to pay cash for things?

>It depends on your landlord. Most likely have no idea what Monero is, but at best you may be able to convert your Monero to BTC and pay rent that way.
This discussion keeps getting bogged down by semantics. Relying on some boomer to accept crypto still puts you in a precarious position where you could end up out of luck for any number of reasons and it seems much more reasonable to pay cash instead. The point I was making about vertical integration isn't about paying rent in crypto, it's about creating a patronage network so creatives can stop relying on social media for exposure/income.
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The concept of online dating seems very strange and unnatural to me. Even if you did develop a relationship with somebody you found online, it would be awkward explaining to others how you met that person.
>I was bored and horny while browsing the internet one night and decided to skim through this dating app I installed recently and came across a profile picture of a very beautiful woman with the most fascinating description of herself posted below her photo. I knew right then and there she was the one for me so I sent her a PM saying "Hi :)" which she responded back 20 minutes later saying "heey lol". After we complimented eachother's profile picture and talked about TV shows and music, we decided to meet up. While we were discussing a place to meet, I suddenly lost my internet connection and had to spend the next 10 minutes re-configuring my router. Fortunately I was able to continue our conversation by logging back into my dating profile and finding the chat history with this person. I messaged her back explaining what had happened and didn't get a response until the following day which she replied "lol np" and we continued our conversation deciding where to meet up. Etc. etc. etc.
>>23751
Look ma, there's a jew poster.
Thought I found the love of my life, but now he's questioning my age cause "I sound and look young" he says, and I may of slipped and say'd i'm not really 18 but he said he wants a minimum of 7 kids and I gotta start early and I'm already obsessed with him
>>23989
You don't have to explain shit to nobody. I wouldn't concern myself with what other people think of me. Most people won't even remember correctly what you have told them. You're giving people power over you by being concerned with what they may think. All you would even have to say is we met online.
>>23991
Well, you sound like every other stupid bitch so I'm not surprised.
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>>23993 most of the girls on there are whores, and talking to multiple men
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>>23991
Post face and voice
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>>23995
why?
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>>23979
>OPSEC
Don't make me laugh. You don't even wear your hat.
>>23996
I want to see if you pass as 18
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>>23991
Sorry darlin but the apple of your eye sounds like a fag. How old are you actually? if it's 12+ I don't see what the problem is.

Next you should ask him if he expects you to get an education or a job. If he says yes to either one, RUN the other direction, girl.

This post is NOT satire.
>>23989
I cringe when I hear people say "we met on Tinder". It's one surefire way to determine a relationship won't last. If two nerds meet on WoW I find it more acceptable.
>>23989
Yeah its pretty hard trying to explain to my gfs mom how I groomed her daughter on discord
>>23994
All girls talk to multiple men. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley was too. It's always one guy they really like and the other they share some common interest with.
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>>24003
She has a public phone line dumbass
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>>24004
Well, I was going to call your mother a whore but you beat me to it.
>>23991
>the love of my life
>I'm already obsessed with him
>I may of slipped and say'd i'm not really 18


So you're lying to him about your age? and your obsessed with him as well?
That guy needs to GTFO and leave your ass if he is looking to settle down and have kids.
And how long have you two been going out?
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>>24008
She's lying about her age because men have become weaklings incapable of staking their claim on a piece of prime underage year old pussy
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>>24010
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with both of them being stupid cunts.
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>>24013
Not really, the female would feel no need to lie about her age if she was assured that the male was dominant and strong enough to take her regardless of any judeo-feminist laws. She's not the problem here.
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>>24016
Your simping ironically makes you look beta here. A man should have no tolerance for dishonesty
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>>24019
I just reported you to mommy for nameflagging.

FAQ
What does this mean?

Your post and/or comment was reported to mommy, who can remove your post/comment and (possibly) ban you.

Why would you do such a thing?

I don’t report everything I see but some reasons I reported you include:

Breaking image board rules/tubgurl ToS
Being rude to other tubbies
Nameflagging

In this case, your report was filed due to nameflagging.

Am I banned from Tubgurl.com?

No, not yet, however mommy can remove your comment and/or take further action by banning you from this image board (either for a set amount of time or permanently).

I don’t feel that I should’ve been reported. Can you unreport me?

No, I cannot. Mommy, however, can choose to ignore my report if I ended up abusing the report button (which is against Tubgurl.com rules).

What should I do to prevent this from happening again?

Accept the punishment and move on. You may be banned from this image board soon, but it is more than likely a temporary ban. Once the ban is lifted, remember to never repeat what you did here. Your behavior will not be tolerated here on tubgurl.com. I will keep reporting you until you fix it. Remember, /ashleyj/ is a privilege, not a right.
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>>24022
Isn't announcing reports a bannable offense? I'm not reporting you by the way, in case someone else does
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>>23964
>Privacy is all about choice.
>>23966
>privacy
>consent
>We're pro-choice.

https://tubgurl.com/ashleyj/thread/22067.html#23410
Was the Michelle Rodriguez lookalike woman at the Dollar Tree store given a choice to have her photos taken by someone (presumably Ashley)? Did she consent to her stalker (presumably Ashley) dropping a load / jerking off (JO) on her photos?

We are not given a choice to be born or not into this world. So do we really have a choice? Or is choice or free will only an illusion?
We get to vote and choose our President: either Joe Biden or Donald Trump. Right.

If you like the person after a hookup, it's "my choice" and "my consent". Otherwise, it's "rape" or "sexual assault".
Delusive choice and questionable consent.

"Pro-choice" and "my consent" are just slogans.
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>>24040
>Was the Michelle Rodriguez lookalike woman at the Dollar Tree store given a choice to have her photos taken
She was practically asking for it by dressing like a whore.
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We cannot expect the right to privacy in public says the government and there is no Constitutional amendment requiring privacy in public. The only mention of privacy in the Constitution is in the 4th Amendment, "The right  of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated.
>>24040
Squidward lookin' ass
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>>24050
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>24044
Literally all women dress like whores even in hijab there is no acceptions
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Hahahaahahahaha

https://duoleak.acid.im/

>man: 47800
>woman: 3085
>agender: 240
>intersex: 36
>nonbinary: 2011
>other: 553
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>>23988
>Sometimes I choose quality of life or accomplishing goals over being totally privacy conscious.
Same.

>Maybe you need to get your testosterone levels checked?
😂
New anon here if that matters, unless I'm lying like I do sometimes for some reason.

Seen this discussion topic on probably 6 or so other forums. These forums are different enough that posting their names here might pollute them with people who I don't want to disturb the local ecosystem. Some are disgust-sensitive eccentrics, others are tubbers. Some chuddy soyteens, others are the funner kind of neurotic trannies. Many are darknet enjoyers, moneroKings and obviously there is a lainGOD undercurrent. I bet kiwifarms have discussed these issues, and they are an invasive species everywhere. I think I might have seen russian crypto-anarchists talking about this? They're insulated by language barriers, but I guess they got their own normies to worry about and have a smaller pond to fish from.

I think a good solution to the cross-contamination issue is post stealing. I steal posts from people on other forums if I like them and post them on other sites- as an anon, so it isn't plagiarism. I can boost activity and even act as a living proxy for discussions, all without spreading troll/normie infestations. I don't need to direct people to rare sites and trust them to behave, I can be hermes on the rainbow bridge. I'm going to do it to parts of this thread on another website, say hi if you are the other site except you probably won't know.

Even without cross-contamination issues, do rare communities scale well? When hobbyists hosting a basic php forum get too big, they need to filter bots hard with measures that raise the bar for users, and often make anonymous sign up harder/costly. No anonymous or guest posting. No temp emails, because admins don't want to bother with spammers. Is discord big because of network effects despite the privacy issues, or because of the privacy issues? If it requires phone numbers, captchas and proxies that raises the costs for sophisticated bots and entry qualifications for script kiddies. It lets hobbyists sequester themselves away from SEO scrapers and scammers.

Many small forums naturally find it hard to believe, but selectivity is their service. When they grow, the selectivity of obscurity needs supplementation. I think the future is anonymous forums with lightweight disposable pseudo-accounts. Like tripcodes but they don't show up to people reading the posts, only to the servers. You do an IQ test type of captcha for 10 minutes, you get a tripcode tab that lets you post for probably about a week- but let's others auto-hide your post if they don't want to see someone with that low of a score. (based on preset ranges for differential privacy reasons) Obviously an IQ test isn't acceptable for all types of communities, I hope I see stuff like automatically generated quizzes on rare literature as captchas. I hope we see self-hosted LLMs used to re-implement Randall Monroe's Robot9000 idea.

The age old "peer discovery" issue is probably the strangest and most resilient on the internet. It is intertwined in both technical and social aspects. How did the first clients find the first servers? How do you find people who should talk to you? How can you bootstrap reputation for a website from nothing? By mining a super cool onion address? How can you earn trust? How can you prove you won't subdue a community at your whim? Federation? How can you build poster acquisition pipelines to keep a site fresh, without losing culture? Commenting on blogs?

I unequivocally support attempts to create private access to mainstream platforms. You have to fish the big fish in the ocean. When I have big money to spare, I will create massive scraping operations to identify and poach the most intelligent and eccentric users from mainstream social media. Also, having influence over mainstream culture is often something these rare communities desire and deserve- it is hard to be upstream of culture without intermediaries on these platforms.
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>>24440
no
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>>24440
>unless I'm lying like I do sometimes for some reason.
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>>24444
>unless I'm lying like I do sometimes for some reason.
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>>23995
okee here https://voca.ro/18puokUjyzrg
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>>24814
Yeah, like we're really going to believe you're Ellen Page from Beyond: Two Souls.
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>>24818
Ellen Page Is gay
>>24821
Sounds like a personal problem.
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>>24818
>>24821
It's ELLIOT Page!
>>24814
Did you meet this guy off that Duolingo app or whatever? Post another selfie in better light pls.
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>>24821
She turns into a tranny then her wife immediately leaves her kek
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>>24831
Makes sense, a lesbian wants to be with another woman, not some woman who cuts off her tits and larps as a manlet
>>24814
FAKE AND GAY
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>>24829
Yeah, sorry for stalling
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>>24942
So it's been a month, what's going on with you and the guy? Also, do you know the guy IRL or is this an online thing?
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he doesn’t talk to me anymore :( it was just online I still like him a bunch though
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>>24814
Please stop faking your voice to sound like an anime girl. There's a real good chance your boyfriend was trying to hint that your fake voice sounds like a weird baby. Guys on Discord might like it, but quality guys who work jobs and want a family like actual women.
>>24944
I'm sure you can get one of the guys on this board to date you. Only 1 out of the 20 of us has ever had sex.
>>24943
no my voice just generally annoying
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>>24947
Your voice probably isn't that bad, but I agree with the other anon that it does sound a bit put on, like one of the girls on youtube that do the phony anime girl voices. Then again we only heard a few second of your voice so maybe we're all blowing this out of proportion.

I have a solution. Read the following aloud with your natural voice (no purposeful cutsey uwu stuff), which is taken from the Home Depot website on how to change a car battery:

`Follow these steps for jump starting a car battery: 

- Position the car with the good battery next to the car with the dead battery. They should be close enough for the jumper cables to reach, but the vehicles should not touch each other.
- Attach the clamp of one end of the positive cable – the red cable – to the positive terminal of the dead battery.
- Connect the clamp of the other end of the positive cable to the positive terminal of the good battery.
- Next, clamp one end of the negative cable – the black cable – to the negative terminal of the good battery. Attach the other end of the negative cable to the engine block of the car with the dead battery.
- Start the car with the good battery that provides the electricity.
- Turn the ignition key (or press the ignition button) of the car with the dead battery. If it starts, left the car run for about 20 minutes to allow for a recharge.
- Disconnect the jumper cables in reverse order.`
https://www.homedepot.com/c/ah/how-to-change-a-car-battery/9ba683603be9fa5395fab9090232265
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>>24948
I meant charge a car battery, not change
>>24948
https://voca.ro/18v4tg9WKXyh
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>>24950
Kek you're all right for a tub GURL. Your voice is fine, obviously you do sound young, but that wouldn't prevent a guy from liking you. The guy that stopped talking to you was probably afraid because you're 17 and/or just not that into you. If he "happens" to drop you a line after you turn 18, tell him to kick rocks because he wasn't man enough to violate social constructs and laws for 6 months to be with you.
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>>24950
>young
>cute
>adorable voice
>he's still not interested
What kind of crazy are you?
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